Should people be paid the same for the same work???

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  • #3121

    Mr.Children
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    I keep hearing people say that people should be paid the same for the same work. I disagree and I think it shows that these people don’t understand basic economics.

    Example: Everybody is paid the same across the industry. A company needs more workers…why would anybody who gets paid the same leave their company to work for another company for the same pay? The only way the company is going to attract more workers is if they pay more. They have to pay more because high demand, low supply, and the person is taking a big risk by leaving their job.

    Companies are also willing to pay more for somebody’s reputation. Whether it’s working at multiple companies or education…they may pay more to have somebody with your reputation as part of their company.

     

     

  • #3122

    Zero Numbers
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    1 Timothy 6:10

    For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

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  • #3125

    smokeybandit
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    If it’s within the same company, then someone at the same level should be paid the same for the same work. The only time that would differ is if one employee had more seniority.

    When people are talking about being paid the same, they’re likely not talking about between different companies. Different companies work with different budgets. You can’t expect them all to pay the same.

    • #3127

      Mr.Children
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      Your argument makes no sense! If I leave company A for company B and get paid more than somebody who is in the same position…the budget is irrelevant! Your argument is that because company B has more money, they should pay everybody more now?

      It doesn’t matter if it’s internally or externally. When you leave a job for another job within the same company, you are taking a risk. Companies will have to pay you more for taking that risk.

      The argument that everybody should be paid the same is like saying every retailer should charge the same price … no basic understanding of economics.

    • #3129

      smokeybandit
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      Try to wrap the concept around your hair and twirl it a bit. See if that helps with your cognitive thinking.

    • #3130

      Mr.Children
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      Again…nothing you said proved your argument or showed a basic understanding of economics. I’m not saying this to insult anybody or be a d*ck. I want to understand why anybody would think that everybody should be paid the same….but the concept of paying everybody the same is ignoring basic economics.  So every retail store should charge their products the same? How is anybody going to start a business or compete in business if all prices are the same?

      And you notice that it’s always wanting to get paid more? People get hired and get paid less all of the time because they suck at negotiating. I don’t see anybody arguing about getting paid less to be fair. But you know what happens when you pay less? The people who want more leave and go find another job. The people who complain still stay on the job..LOLOL. Bunch of whinoes.

      One time, I had this btch at work that was complaining that I was getting paid more. He didn’t understand basic economics. I took a risk to take that job, low unemployment rate means that companies had to pay more to get workers, and I just had more experience/education. I left that job and get paid even more now. I make 10s of thousands more than him..and even got an easier job. He could have went out and got another job and increase his pay by 50%…but he’s still there being a btch complaining.

      If you truly believe you deserve to get paid more, other companies would agree..and go work for them! If you complain about pay and too much of a pssy to leave your job…you’re a btch!

    • #3139

      smokeybandit
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      Your ignorance is not a good argument.

    • #3142

      Mr.Children
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      My ignorance is why I get paid more than most people. I can make 10s of thousands more than somebody in the same position or somebody who does more than me. And I can go to another company and make even more! It’s because I understand how capitalism and economics works, as well as how to negotiate.

      If people want to complain and hope that the law and companies will pay exactly the same…good luck! I tell that to the guy who expects to get a woman because he got a good paying job. Good luck!

      Or you can learn to play the game right and and start getting real momentum.

    • #3165

      Noob
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      I didn’t see your post, but I basically said the same thing you did. The Children guy likes to argue with himself and contradicts himself left and right.

  • #3132

    Savuthy
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    Pay grade vs. workcenter. Every job is important. Some skill attached better suits some people so job alignment is key. I’ve seen situations where office personnel makes the same amount as heavy duty working personnel, why? It’s the job you know, the job you chose and previous education and experience that helped land the role. If that heavy working job duty person wanted to go work in admin instead, someone has to fill his/her slot but why search when that person is already there. Would that person doing that job handling situations with choices that can have extreme consequence if not decided right? I’d rather choose the person more suited for the job.

    The thing I’ve noticed about life is to choose your skill set early in life. What are you good at and what do you excell with? To have claims you’re good at something needs paperwork to back it up and references that will vouch for your knowledge.

    There’s nothing wrong with learning a new skill or trade but be solid in the decision since people will most likely stay in that role for years or decades.

  • #3137

    Noob
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    You’re trying to argue a concept in the wrong context. Yes, generally you do get paid the same scale in the same industry, thus why there is a freedom of movements for the workers, but most workers choose to stay in the same company due to the “comfort zone” effect. There’s no need to get out of your comfort zone and “take a big risk” as you eloquently put it.

    The context in which you should apply this argument is within the same company. An example would be a female worker doing the same job as her male counterpart should be paid the same, given equal seniority and other “it” factors. No one is arguing that a different company can’t attract talent by offering better incentives, as companies have disparate levels of assets and bottom lines.

    • #3140

      Mr.Children
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      Generally getting paid the same means that a person could make thousands more that could equal 10s of thousands to hundreds of thousands over their lifetime. You make it sounds minimal…therefore why is anybody complaining about pay if most people are generally paid the same??

      You’re missing the point! I’m not arguing that people stay in their comfort zone and don’t need to take a risk. I’m arguing that companies may need more workers and struggle to fill positions. The only way they can do that is if they offer more money. A company has to make it worthwhile and worth risk giving up an comfortable job for a new uncertain job. Few will leave a 50k job for a 50k job. Companies have to maybe pay 75k to get somebody to leave current jobs…..and they’re not going to increase the pay of everybody else currently on board to 75k. It’s just as dumb as somebody going into the store and saying “oh, the price went up here…i’ll also pay more for this product to keep the prices the same”. No basic understanding of economics!

      It doesn’t matter if it’s within the same company or outside. Even within the same company, companies have to pay certain individuals more to keep them. A company may only want to pay 50k a year for a position, but they will pay Bob 60k if that’s what it takes to keep him…and pay Sally 45k if that’s what she’s asking for.

      Basic economics! I didn’t see any reason so far why companies can’t pay people differently. To confuse it and say it’s within the same company is just ridiculous. Doesn’t matter..it’s all basic economics! A retailer has to sell all phones in the store the same if they are of the same quality? If similar phones are selling differently, you charge based on that.

      Basic economics!

      And to add…there’s a reason why people argue about the pay within the same company. Because they’re p*ssies who are too scared to find work elsewhere. They know that other companies can’t match what they think they should get paid, so they complain to their current company. If you believe you deserve 20k more a year…then there should be no shortage of other companies that would match that….but they know that they are not worth it…so they just cry like babies to their current employers. It’s a fact that if you want more pay, you switch jobs..simple as that!

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    • #3148

      smokeybandit
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      Yeah, the device is going to be the same price but when you compare a local company with a national or multi-national organization, the larger company has room to play with because of volume. Also, because they are buying in bigger bulk, they get volume discount. That’s how they stay competitive. Basic economics dumbass.

    • #3160

      Mr.Children
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      1) Nothing you said explained why people should be paid the same, besides “feeling” and “believing” that people should be paid the same. It’s no different than the guy who complains that women should like him because he got a good job.

      2) It doesn’t matter the size of the company. In order to get into business and compete, people have to offer products and services that are more attractive. That is why companies that didn’t exist years ago are able do better than large corporations. Nobody succeeds in business by going into business and say “I can’t afford to buy in bulk like the larger companies”. LOL!. Most companies at the top won’t exist in the future or stay at the top because newer companies will bring better ideas and value to customers!

      People like you don’t understand basic economics! You want to blame external factors and believe that if a company has more money, then the workers deserve more money. You can’t explain how a company is going to attract more and better workers without paying them more. Always some BS.

      Like I said…if you want to prosper and succeed, learn economics! If you want to be a crybaby…then complain and ignore basic economics. The people who think like me succeed. Those that don’t think like you!

       

       

    • #3167

      smokeybandit
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      You obvious have no clue about economics.  You don’t even have a business mentality, just a bullsh*t, talking out of your ass clownality.

    • #3166

      Noob
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      Now he’s arguing about the pay scale. Something that factual and not even up to debate. I suggest you get a grasp of what it is you’re trying to convey before you start arguing with people just for the sake of argument.

  • #3138

    Savuthy
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    Although minimum wage goes up in small increments as it does with no regards to inflation or cost of living, the behemoths like Amazon that start their workers at $15 an hour makes other manufacturing and/or manual labor jobs have to compete with going above and beyond what minimum state and federal law requires.  The laws are set in place to help people get by but to do that to a mass economy, the profit and margin goes down as the value of goods will go up because people are too good to work for less.  Less personnel due to higher payroll due to competition means more leadership bullying to work with less of what they have of Human beings. Maybe go automated is the better answer to the tech industry that is in for their own profit will only make it harder on everyone else just filling a temporary role until the next big thing comes around.

    Think about this, have you ever been in a facility, there is that one other person in there and yet the building isn’t big enough for the both of you? One of you has to go.  Do more with less is what I’m starting to see the trend but hey if it never works out, we can always start a blog on ways to coupon to pay back the corporations that take away the income spent on consumerism.

    • #3147

      Mr.Children
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      Jobs are being automated and those that have the skills in demand will survive. The argument I see with many people is “I worked here for 20 years and was loyal”..lol. So we should keep using Kodak?

  • #3156

    Lazy Broke Azn
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    When you’re like me and you’re your own boss you don’t have to waste time worrying about things like this. Think of the opportunity cost? While people whine about a colleague at work making more, they could be out here getting bread like your boy.

     

    See me and Mister Children all about getting that money. We’re only slaves to ourselves and we don’t disobey our masters.

    • #3218

      Mr.Children
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      Exactly! You get me! People complain about unfairness and this and that, but most of them don’t even do what they gotta do to make more money.

  • #3246

    Dynasty
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    <p style=”text-align: center;”>I still get allowances from my parents.</p>

  • #3431

    LaLa
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    From my work of line as an artist, customers are willing to pay more depending on your skill level and speed.

    • #3448

      Mr.Children
      Participant

      Putting speed aside, I agree with skill. Many people believe that 2 people who do the exact same thing should be paid the same. But yes, I think a company can pay 1 person higher for the same exact job, if they have more skills. It’s like a college graduate or somebody who gets a certificate can get paid more for doing the same exact work because the company want a better reputation of having more educated or skilled workers. Or the other way around, customers pay more for a brand because of the brand…even if it’s the same sh*t as the no brand one.

      To make a law to pay people the same is the same as a brand having to sell the same as a no brand. The person who pays should be able to make a decision on how much to pay and the person getting paid could accept it as enough or not.

    • #3450

      LaLa
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      Some company can’t afford to pay their workers at different rates, even when one has more education/skills. That’s why during the hiring process, the chance of you being hired with the skills/experience/education would be a lot higher than one that’s less qualified.

      I know that with some companies, you’re allowed to negotiate with them on the pay rate before they hire you.  For example, if your previous job pays you at this amount “x” you could request to be hired by this new company for the same amount as your previous job or higher. This is when your knowledge of debate/negotiation could be useful.

      For this company that I’m in, I can’t negotiate for a higher pay, but because of my skills and education background, I was able to move up a lot faster, internally, than others. The line workers are all paid the same amount regardless how long and how skilled they are in the company. However, the company does offer commission for those that are faster and can pull in more customers.

      Although I feel that people should be paid differently, in the end, it depends on the company.

    • #3454

      Mr.Children
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      Yup…every company is different and they can pay whatever they want, as an employee can work wherever they want. However, I’m willing to bet that at your company, they are willing to pay more for the same job…depending on the economy. They’ll pay an extra 10 cents or $1 if it’s hard to find workers. They’ll pay more if they can get somebody that has the potential to bring in more customers. Companies are experience with math and they’ll pay more to hire somebody than to pay the same and constantly have to rehire.

      The thing about moving up in a company I believe is that once companies snatch you with X amount of pay, they’ll really only have to pay more if you get promoted. On the other hand, if you just switch companies for the same job…you could often be making more at that same job at a different company than promoted within. It’s very financially dangerous to stay in one company.

       

    • #3483

      LaLa
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      Nah, my company won’t budge when it comes to paying extra per hour due to the constant minimum wage raise. And I do agree with you that it is financially dangerous to stay in one company for a prolong period. Once they get you at your comfort zone then that’s when you’re trapped. I believe people should always look for better opportunities to grow even if it means taking risks.

    • #3486

      Mr.Children
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      Yes, and that’s what people don’t seem to understand. They live in fear and expect their company to pay them higher, but the companies know that most of the time, they can pay people low and they won’t budge. On the other hand, to get people like me, they have to pay me more because I take risks and negotiate. It doesn’t make sense that I take all the risk and do all the negotiating….and scarry cat now has to get paid the same as me.

  • #3488

    Pleu
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    the whole premise of making a living off wherever ‘pays’ more and wherever you get ‘hired’ is horribly despicable for humanity ..yet globally accepted by earth slaves =/

     

    • #3494

      Mr.Children
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      I don’t got time to look at the youtube video…otherwise, I would have went to youtube. Just as ridiculous as posting an ebook.

      That being said, yes, people are “slaves”. There are real slaves, and there are those that volunteer to be slaves by buying expensive cars and working countless hours to pay them off. However, at the end of the day, people have to deal with the cards they deal with. Yes, for those that can, they can open up businesses and not be “slaves” to the company……but being your own boss is slavery as well. Business owners have to work harder and longer…spend more time on the business. If the average person try to do the same, they would suffer more because they are trying to do more than they care to do.

      That is why Buddha teaches the only real way to end suffering is to go to Nirvana and end all suffering by ending existence.

       

       

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