Is Cambodia still a 'Kingdom'.. or Communist

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  • #2981

    Pleu
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    in my observation, having a ‘Final’ king pretty much seals the nail on the Kingdom coffin, doesn’t it?

    the past 40 years shows Cambodia has been under the same Communist-founded party (CPP) since its transition from KR roots?

  • #2983

    Mr.Children
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    I believe Khmer Rouge use to be one under China, but they split up where one stayed with China and I think the other went with Russia and Vietnam. The Pol Pot side was suicidal, while the Hun Sen side were more moderate.

    So today, Cambodia is ruled by the moderate Khmer Rouge…while many of the hard core Khmer Rouge ran into the jungles and abroad..”cough”. This kinda explain why many Khmers in America who been here for decades struggle….while Khmers who came recently do better. The ones who came here decades ago, many came from Khmer Rouge families who have a self defeated mindset. They’re the ones who create gangs and kill other Khmers.

    Then the Khmers who were raised under Hun Sen just come to America and many of them prosper. They were raised to rebuild Cambodia and they come to America to build up their lives…rather than tear each other down.

    Don’t get me wrong…Hun Sen side is not good..but they’re more “take you down so I can go up”…vs Pol Pot who is just “take each other down”.

     

  • #3059

    Noob
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    When the same dictator runs the show for half his life at the detriment of his so-called people, then the Kingdom is one of tyranny.

    • #3078

      Mr.Children
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      I think that Hun Sen is probably the best thing going for Cambodia. Cambodia is at peace, it’s gradually getting better, and people go there for vacations…and even retire. If the average Khmer person govern Cambodia, there could be war, constantly infighting, and mass deaths. Every time I see Khmer people judge Hun Sen, I wonder “would that person be a better leader?” and most of the time, I don’t feel so. Sometime people have to realize that sometimes bad or average is their best. People blame Hun Sen for Cambodia’s problem…but just look at Khmer Americans! We came to one of the most opportunistic countries on earth, and the average Khmer person has a low level job. The average Khmer girl still has a kid in her late teens or early 20s and rely on government assistance. Whose fault is that?

    • #3136

      Noob
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      A dictator threatening violence if he doesn’t continue his reign is your idea of “the best thing going for Cambodia?” You can’t be serious. Tell me you’re joking. How would you know what is good for Cambodia or her potential if she’s stuck with the same ol’ dictator year in and year out? You don’t.

      You can’t kowtow to the fear of war and become slaves. You have to have belief in your people to come together and do what is best of the country. If you have a self-defeating mindset, then move out of the way and let those that believe have a chance to govern.

      There are actually a lot of successful Khmers that I know and are surrounded by that people don’t talk about. These people have no need to talk about themselves because they have enjoyed success, and there’s no need to flash that success. Those that get the limelight are the ones comprise a small percentage of Khmers that have run ins with the Law but otherwise just ordinary Americans, not just Khmer Americans, that struggle in this competitive world we live in. I wouldn’t judge them for struggling to make it, because at one point, most of us have had to come from all the way from the very bottom.

       

    • #3144

      Mr.Children
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      Just look at the last 2 leaders of Cambodia and look at the result! Out of the 3, Hun Sen is doing a magnificent job! Based on what happen, there is a higher chance Cambodia going to war and getting worst than getting better. If you look at Khmer people in America…are more doing well and making America better…or are more of them a burden on society? Khmer people are a lot like Blacks and Latinos. They may be all over the place in a certain area, but when you walk into higher education or higher paying jobs….there won’t be many of them. People don’t want to hear it, but you go to a company with educated people and good paying jobs that are mostly Whites, Eastern Asians, and South Asians….and it’s the Latinos cleaning the tables and picking up the trash….it’s true!

      I know Khmer people who are educated and make a sh*tload of money…but I have no reason to believe they would be better leaders than Hun Sen. You have to remember that it’s the dumb people outsmarted the smart people during the Khmer Rouge era!

      When I see Khmer people in America, the most opportunistic country in the world, I see that significantly more Khmer people are having children in their late teens and early 20s….than pursing higher education…..I see little reasons why Cambodia can be better…..because Hun Sen is from one of the poorest countries in the world and a few steps ahead most of those raised in America.

      I’m not in the way…just looking at the reality. I’m just pointing where the wind blows.

      I don’t want to see my people run away from their countries. I don’t want to see my people kill each other. I don’t want to see my people being poor. I don’t want to see my people struggle….but that’s what’s happening. I see things for what it is…and I think that’s why I make more money than most people. 1 +1 is 2, and A leads to B. While I’m changing..I see the people 20 years ago singing the same song.

    • #3168

      Noob
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      Last two leaders of Cambodia? Before Hun Sen? What is that a century ago?

      So I get it. You like to put Khmer people down. I’m sure you are so much better off and can pass down judgment in one fell swoop regardless of other factors that affect people living in poverty and in areas that are not always conducive to leading the right path and obtaining the right mindset to choose to be more educated, to be more successful. I guess since you turned out alright tough luck to them.

      I don’t want to see my people run away from their countries. I don’t want to see my people kill each other. I don’t want to see my people being poor. I don’t want to see my people struggle….but that’s what’s happening. I see things for what it is…and I think that’s why I make more money than most people. 1 +1 is 2, and A leads to B. While I’m changing..I see the people 20 years ago singing the same song.

      I know it probably comes as a shock to you, but when a dictator runs the country, threatens the democratic process by threatening violence, not only to his opposition but to the country as a whole, you’re not going to see many successful Khmer people come running into the country to offer their voice and expertise.

      The Khmer rouge did not outsmart the smart Khmers. Khmer are general peace-loving people, too kind and non-confrontational almost to a fault. That was taken advantage of by higher powers that used the Khmer Rouge as their pawns. The KR were too dumb to act on their own. You think those sub machine guns and assault rifles were made and bought by the KR? Don’t be so naive.

    • #3191

      Mr.Children
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      Cambodia was once a colony of the French. After that, we had 3 main leaders, + 1 if you want to include Lon Nol. All sh*tty leaders! The King sided with the Khmer Rouge, which helped Pol Pot come into Power…which eventually lead to a more moderate Hun Sen. I don’t know too much about Lon Nol, but what I can say is that he was backed by the US..and Khmer people REJECTED him! Not surprisingly after seeing how most Khmers Americans haven’t really assimilate or embrace American democracy and capitalism. If America gave Cambodian Americans a sizable land to govern….would you really want to live there? Do you really think it’s going to be a great country???

      I’m just being a realists and only present my observations. I only tell you which way the wind blows.

      There are many external factors why people aren’t successful, as you stated. The reason why so many Khmer people aren’t as successful is that much of the Khmers living now are among the bottom of the ladder. Khmer Rouge killed off much of the educated and much of the ones left are those that lived hundreds and thousands of years in poverty. You put them in America or give them opportunity .. and they reject it. On the other hand, if you take an educated Khmer person and come to America after Khmer Rouge regime, these people usually prosper. Give a poor person money, and they will eventually be poor again. Take an educated well off person and take away their money…they will make more money again.

      You won’t see many successful Khmers going to Cambodia because there’s not much successful Khmers in America, one of the most opportunistic country in the world. You can’t convince to blame Hun Sen, when in America, you got nobody to blame.

      You’re right….the Khmer Rouge didn’t outsmart smart Khmers. The problem is that Khmer people embraced communism. They like the idea of taking from the rich and giving to the poor. They like the idea of getting free sh*t. Khmer Rouge was backed by communist China, and Hun Sen by Communist Vietnam/Russia. America was also involved and Cambodia could have been the next S.Korea. Khmers could have sided with America and we would be a democracy and capitalistic state…reaping the rewards.

      It can’t happen…and all you have to do is look at Khmer Americans. Most Khmer Americans do not take advantages of all the opportunistic that capitalism and democracy has to offer. The older generation didn’t embrace learning English and adapting. Most drive around with nice new or luxury cars, don’t legally marry, girls have children by late teens early 20s, and get government assistance. Don’t get me wrong…there has been a significantly rise in Khmer Americans going to college…but they fell for the trap of the student loan and education system of taking advantage of poor and unlikely to succeed in life population. They’re not going to college because they are hard, smart, and competitive, but because the system made it easy for them. I had many Khmer peers who are like “this class is easy, that class is easy”….but in reality, the subject is hard. The schools made it easy so that they would continuing going to school and pay.

       

    • #3304

      YellowPeril
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      The original founding KR members were highly educated which made all of the events that followed even more ironic and tragic. They were all western-educated and bought into this idea that if they removed all forms of advanced technologies or was symbolic of the post-industrial society they could somehow create a utopic society to benefit the greater masses (more like mass graves in reality). Their utopic visions were unrealistic because social struggles don’t just end because you put a new label on it.

      On another note, what a lot of people seem to gloss over is how the KR came to power. It wasn’t overnight. Imagine having your homes bombed out in the middle of nowhere, civil wars, residuals of colonial rule, and famine as a result of royal mishandling of the country’s wealth? These things were a recipe for disaster. I recall reading a book that theorized that Khmer were susceptible to the KR because of Buddhistic tolerance. I can see why they came to that conclusion, but I believe famine and the US bombing the crap out of SE Asia only drove the timeline in addition to the monarch’s political power plays.

    • #3366

      Mr.Children
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      The reason why KR came into power is that the King was a communist. The US wanted to stop the spread of communism, bombed Cambodia, and ousted the King. The King got help from his communist buddies, and brought in the Khmer Rouge.

      Communist beliefs were able to spread like wildfire is because so many Khmer people like the idea of government taking away from the rich and giving to the poor.  These are the people who are mainly left and in control of Cambodia. They tell you that US bombings resulted in people joining KR to fight America and others.

      The other side…you know..the people who were killed off. They will tell you that America tried so hard to prevent Cambodia from joining communists. Other countries would try to convince Khmer people to not join Communism. We don’t hear this story because most are dead and the ones in control and dominate Cambodia are the communists.

      Cambodia had an opportunity to be the next S.Korea. Unfortunately, there were more Khmer people who sided with Communism than anti-communism. Khmer people fell for the idea of getting sh*t from the rich….about “fairness”. They unfortunately didn’t pay attention to the horrors of communism and didn’t think it would happen to them.

      This has nothing to do with religion or Buddhism. The communists always has something against religion. They blame Buddhism for being weak…but you rarely hear them talk about how so many Khmers embraced “social equality and fairness”. You can tell who the Khmer communist are. They’re the ones who come to America and refuse to adapt and learn the languages. They’re the ones who strongly believe they should get government assistance. They are uneducated and are very hesitant to economic prosperity, economic competition, and education. They’re the ones who praise China.

      When you listen to stories from Khmer people….it’s very likely that you will hear it from the communism point of view! REMEMBER THAT! Blaming US bombings and religion…that’s straight up Khmer rouge!

       

       

      • This reply was modified 2 months, 1 week ago by  Mr.Children.
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    Pleu
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